Tribe Joyce Network

Sep 21st, 2014 | By | Category: The Tribe Joyce Network

We now have 485 members of the Tribe Joyce network on Linkedin and another 376 members on Facebook. That’s a combined growth of around 100 new members in the past fortnight. If you do have Joyce relatives who haven’t yet joined please encourage them to do so. We also have around ten new Joyce DNA Project members with results pending and I have a waiting list of other men who are keen to test pending the availability of vouchers. The more people who test the more we will be able to identify clusters and hopefully pinpoint the geographic origins of our own ancestors. If you are interested just post a comment here and I’ll be in contact.

Time for a recap now that we are starting to see some more DNA evidence. We know that the first indication and the likely origin of the name Joyce is from the person mentioned in the Battle Abbey Roll as being at the Battle of Hastings by the name of Cil de Jort. We also know from the historian Wace that Cil de Jort is mentioned in the same line as Cil de Courcy.

In discussing the Battle of Hastings Wace states –
“The vicomte; Lord of Thouars, did not display cowardice that day. Richard of Avranches was there and with him the lords of Victrie and of Lassy, of Vaudry and of Tracy; they were in the same company and struck the English impetuously, not fearing pike or ditch. They knocked down many men that day and killed many a good horse, and many of them were wounded. Hugh, the lord of Montfort, the lords of Epinay and of Port, of Courcy and of Jort killed many men that day…”
Don’t know if that means that de Montfort and the others fought with de Jort or whether it is just a note that they were at the battle.

And from –

The Conqueror and his Companions – J R Planche, Volune II, London; 1874

Cil de Jort – Jort is a commune near Conrei, arrondissement of Falaise. It had belonged to Lesceline, Countess of Eu, but no possessor of it in 1066 is known to French antiquaries. It was probably held by some under the de Courcis of that day, as they are named together “Cil de Courci e Cil de Jort.”

We have a mention of Robert de Jorz, presumably the same Robert mentioned later in the Domesday book as being at Burton Joyce in Nottingham and a connection to the de Courci family.

We don’t yet have evidence that the de Jorses mentioned in other places are the descendants of Robert and the next we know of the name is in 1283 when we know that Thomas de Jorse fled Wales and made his way to Ireland as Edward 1 won his victories over Llewellyn. We have now tested two men from that line and found links to a number of other Joyces. We can also surmise that Thomas did not arrive in Ireland alone but came with a number of other men at arms and probably that some of them have connections to Welsh lines rather than the English/Norman De Jorse line. My own DNA results show that I have close relationships to people with Welsh surnames.

We can also assume that Joyce’s Country granted to Thomas and his followers by the Burkes occupied was already populated, and again the DNA evidence shows Joyces who have the marker M222 which is currently believed to have originated in Ireland in the first millennium, i.e. before Thomas and his followers arrived.

So the DNA evidence is starting to point to the fact that for most of us the name is of geographic origin rather than family inheritance. Those of us with ancestry in Galway and Mayo likely adopted the name because we lived in Joyces Country.

We also have a couple of English lines emerging, one related to the Jowsey surname from Lincolnshire and others whose origins are still a bit hazy. Pending results may help solve those mysteries as well.

The Joyce DNA Project has a public page here –

If you check out the YDNA results you will see that I have rearranged the groupings in the past few weeks. That will continue to happen as more information becomes available.
Joyce Surname DNA Project Website- Background
The earliest mention of the name was of Cil de Jort who was with William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. Some twenty later a Robert de Jorse is recorded in Nottingham and then there is a passage of a couple of hundred years until…

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