Joyce Family – Godalming Surrey 1583 – 1770

Jan 1st, 1770 | By | Category: Joyce Biographies

From The Douglas Family History


Joyce family

 Letitia Joyce married James Douglass on 20 May 1761 in Godalming. James, though from Chertsey, had been apprenticed to learn watchmaking from Richard Stedman in Godalming in October 1747. At the time he started this apprenticeship, his future father in law, Joshua Joyce would have be the out going or previous Warden of Godalming. The Guidelines for apprenticeships in the Ordinances of Godalming suggest that apprenticeships should end at 24 years old, so James Douglass could have bee born as early as 1730. He must have met Letitia during this period. However he did not marry her until 7 years after the end of his apprenticeship, in 1761. Four children were born by the end of 1769. Letitia received legacies from the following: – her father in 1760, her uncle William Chitty in 1769, and her unmarried sister Mary Joyce in 1792 See Mary Joyce’s Will. It is noticeable that the latter will is phrased (written as it was after James’s bankruptcy) to safeguard the legacy from external control. Her uncle William was extremely wealthy and powerful, and may have been one of the William’s who was also Warden of Godalming, and a Maltster by trade. His Will is very lengthy and full of tortuous clauses and conditions

Letitia’s father, Joshua, was a baker (at the least when he wrote his will in 1757), and was twice Warden of Godalming, in 1737 (having been an Assistant from 1730), and 1747. His wife was Elizabeth Chitty, daughter of William Chitty and Jane Denyer, and they married 14 Feb 1726 in Hascombe. The Warden was a kind of early Mayor, who with the help of Assistants, help regulate the town and its trade. See here about Godalming and its Warden. He contributed 5s 0d to the repair of the Market Hall in 1725. Joshua was born in about 1699, and died in 1760. He was churchwarden on 10.3.1744/5, having signed the settlement certificate of a widow Martha Norris moving to Elstead. An extract from his will may be seen here on Surrey Wills Plus websiteHe quite possibly ran the bakery from the same site as his father see below

Joshua’s Parents were Joshua Joyce and Mary Chitty. They married 30 Jan 1697 at St Mary’s Guildford. It has not been possible to trace this Mary Chitty’s ancestry, Chitty being such a common name in Godalming. She may be related somehow to her daughter-in-law Elizabeth Chitty above. This Joshua was born about 1674 and died on the 30th Nov 1725. He leased the property in High Street, Godalming  for his bakery on 30th December 1700, and was also Warden of Godalming, in 1714, having been Assistant the year before. He was described as a baker already on this property deal so had been in business elsewhere previously. By 1706, he together with John Hayes have two hundred pounds to invest in three houses and over a hundred acres of various types of land. See the feet of fines here.

Joshua’s parents were Joshua Joyce and Judeth Cavy. They married on the 2nd Sep 1657 in Godalming. Joshua was born about 1632 and died in 1682, he was a wire drawer. Judeth was born at 1635, and died in 1720, she was the daughter of William Cavy and Judeth Oklye. They married 2 Sep 1657 in Godalming.

This Joshua’s parents were Richard Joyce and Elizabeth Hammond. Elizabeth was daughter of John Hamond and Alice Hardinge. Richard and Elizabeth married on 26th June 1627.  Richard Joyce was born in 1602, and died in 1681. He may have been a bailiff of Godalming, and was recorded as a card maker on his burial inside St Peter and St Paul’s Godalming  in 1681. (No remnant is visible of his burial now though). Richard’s parents were Henry Joice and Katherine (unknown name). Henry Joice married three times, firstly to Alice Keene on 6th October 1583, who had three children, two surviving, and died abt Oct 1588, then Sarah Dorye on 25.11.1588, who had four children, two surviving to adulthood, and died June 1596, and later to Katherine – details not found. Henry was also a cardmaker. Cardmaker is presumably referring to a card for carding wool.

Joshua Joyce’s Gravestone

When legible this read

Here Lieth the Body of Joshua Joyce

Who departed this life

November 20 1723

Aged 72 years

Mary Joyce’s Gravestone

When legible this read

Here lieth the body of

Mary Joyce Wife of Joshua Joyce

Who departed life

ye 17 day of December 1735

Age [??]


Joshua Joyce Bakery 1700

It was stated on the website Exploring Surrey’s History that the building that houses Godalming Museum was a bakery for 370 years.
A document G1/31/6 at Surrey History Centre suggests that this was the bakery run at one time by the middle Joshua Joyce in 1700. Godalming Museum have since confirmed that Joshua indeed was the tenant and that there are deeds dated 1641, 1670, 1742, 1778 which mention Joshua Joyce .
… All that Messuage, Tenement…    … situate and being in the High Street of Godalming aforesaid, betweene the messuage of William Smith Shopkeeper on the East pte whereof, and the Tenement Newergate in the occupation of one John Woodier on the West pte thereof , and butteth on the High Street of Godalming aforesaid towards the North and the tenement tenant Markethouse there.
The Later Town Hall, known as the Pepperpot was built on the site of the Markethouse. It is exactly in front of the Godalming Museum as described above, and I have been in the museum. See here for a picture of the Markethouse.
The building was presumably two shops in the past, with the bakery at this end. The Museum houses the Woods collection, an excellent resource for Family Historians with Godalming ancestors. Also there is a framework knitting machine (Godalming was one of the centres for this business), and a Richard Stedman Tavern Clock (one of the Richard Stedmans had James Douglass apprenticed to him). Note that the Library which house the research facilities is open afternoons Tuesday to Saturday.
Timbers in the building have been dated to 1446, making the second oldest building in the town after the parish church – at least as far as dating made by this method.
Its website is here
Rear of the property

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Full transcript of the lease below

Joshua Joyce Lease of the building  23rd December 1700 Surrey History Centre ref G1/31/6

This Indenture

Made the three and twentieth day of December in the twelfth year of the raigne of our Soveraigne Lord William the Third, By the Grace of God. Betweene Thomas Jessey The Younger of Godalminge the County of Surrey yeoman of the one parte And Joshua Joyce of Godalminge aforesaid in the said County of Surrey Baker of the other parte.

Witnesseth that the Said Thomas Jessey for and in consideration of the Summe of Twenty shillings of Lawfull money of England to him before the sealing and delivery hereof  in hand part by the said Joshua Joyce The receipt whereof he the said Thomas Jessey hereby confesseth and Acknowledgeth and therefore of every part and parcell doth clearley acquitt, release, and forever discharge the said Joshua Joyce his heires & Executors & Administrators & Assigns and every of them by these psents hath bargained held and demised and by these psents doth bargaine sell and demise unto the said Joshua Joyce his executors administrators & assigns All that Messuage or Tenement Garden Orchard Watercourse Backside, Barnes, Buildings, Outhouses, hereditaments & pmises whatsoever to the same belonging or in any wise appteyning or ever used occupied or enjoyed with the same situate and being in the high Street of Godalming aforesaid Betweene the Messuage of William Smith Shopkeeper on the East pte whereof And the Tenement Newergate in the Occupation of one John Woodier on the west part thereof, and Butteth on the High Street of Godalming aforesaid towards the North and the tenemt Tenant Markethouse there And now in the severall occupacõns of the said Thomas Jessey, Joshua Joyce, William Smith and James Coster a glover or of heirs assigns.  And Allsoe all Outhouses, Edifices, Buildings woods Trees Commons Ways Waters easements pfitts Comodities & appurtenances belonging or in any wise appteyning And the the revercõns remainders & yearly & other rents issues & befitts of all & singular the before mencõned Pmisses with the Appurtenances with the sum Thomas Jessey the younger By Indenture of bargain & sale for a yeare bearing at the thirtieth day of December in the 12th year of the raigne of aforementioned Soveraine Lord King William III of England Anno dim 1691 and a grant and release thereupone made by indenture bearing date the one and thirtieth day of the month of December purchased of his Uncle Thomas Jessey The Elder of Godalming aforesaid Baker to have and to hold. The said messuage or tenement, garden, orchard, watercourse, Backside, Barnes, Buildings, appurtenances, the revercõn and revercõns remainder and remainders therever and of every pte and pcell there unto the said Joshua Joyce his heirs and assigns and fully to compleat  and end yealdinge and paying herefore unto the said Thomas Jessey the younger his heirs assigns one pepper-corne  only on or near the feast day of St Thomas the apostle  next end the date thereof if it shall be lawfully demanded to the intent that by vertue of these psents and of the statute made for transferring of use into psession the said Joshua Joyce may be in the actuall possession of the aid messuage, tenement, garden, orchard, watercourse, Backside, Barnes, buildings, hereditaments and other pmises and of either of them with their and every of theire appurtenances and may be enabled a grant and release of the revercõn and inheritance either of to be may Joshua Joyce and of his heirs and assigns for ever in Witness whereof the pties first above, together or interchangeably theire hands and seals have set dated the day & year above written.

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