I’ve been trying to find out a bit more about the de Jorse family.
We know from a number of sources – http://www.selectsurnames2.com/joyce2.html – that the progenitor of the Joyce’s in County Galway was Thomas de Jorse.
“Thomas de Jorse and the Joyce Sept
Thomas de Jorse (or Joyes), one of three Norman brothers in England, had settled in Wales and allied himself with the Welsh cause. However, when Edward I invaded Wales, he was forced to flee. He came to Ireland with his fleet in 1283 and landed at Thurmond in Munster. There he married Turlough O’Brien, the daughter of the local chief. While on their voyage around Ireland, his wife gave birth to a son which he named MacMara, son of the sea.
The family eventually landed in the western part of Connacht where Thomas acquired considerable tracts of land. The son, later known as Edmond Joyes, who also married the daughter of a local chief, extended his father’s acquisitions and, as the family numbers grew, laid the basis for the Joyce sept in the region.
The sept, known in Gaelic as Seoighe and sounding like “Joyce,” followed Irish practices, with their chieftain being selected from among the derbfine (the direct male descendants in the sept).”
I have been doing some searches trying to find out where the de Jorse Norman family came from and decided that I’d look at the Domesday Book which was commissioned by William the Conqueror to document Norman Britain in the late 11th Century.
It was here that I found the following reference to the village of Burton Joyce in Nottinghamshire – http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/nottinghamshire1.html#burtonjoyce
Bertune: Roger de Bully; Geoffrey Alselin. Church.
Owned by the Jortz de Bertun family. The 13th century tomb of Robert de Jortz de Bertun is in the church
Then a search on Burton Joyce itself brought me this information – http://www.burtonjoyceonline.co.uk/local-history/46-introduction.html
An introduction to the village of Burton Joyce, in the rural heart of Nottinghamshire.
Very little remains of burh-tun, the fortified farmhouse high on the hill above the present day village.
The village names of BURTON JOYCE and BULCOTE are said to be derived from BURTUNE JORZ and BOUCOT. BURTUNE could either mean the farm on the hill or the farm in a fortified place , JORZ was added later as around 1160-1380 the chief owners were the de Jorz family
A Richard de Jorse appears in the early Sherwood Forest Records. He was one of the families who were Lords of the Manor of Burton for about two hundred years. The name has many variants – Jorse, Jors, Jorz, Jort, Jortz, Jorce and Joice, until it eventually became Joyce.
In the time of King John (around 1200) Geoffrey de Jorz was the keeper of Sherwood Forest and in 1331 a Jorz family member was the Sheriff of Nottingham (possibly Sir Robert?) Is it possible that this was the Sheriff who actually locked horns with the legendary Robin Hood?
So the questions are these.
Was Thomas de Jorse related to Robert de Jortz de Burton who was settled in what is now the village on Burton Joyce in Nottinghamshire in the late 1100’s? Is it possible that the de Jorse family spread from Notts to Wales from which Thomas then sailed to Ireland in 1283. Was Geoffrrey de Jorz around 1200 an ancestor of Thomas de Jorse of Wales and Galway?
Here is a link to a PDF of a book “The Antiquities of Nottinghamshire” – page 29 of the PDF or 18 of the book itself describe the village of Burton Joyce as well as the lineage of Robertus de Jortz.
I would have attached the book to the email but it is quite large and may have clogged your mail boxes.
Please let me know if anyone else has come across any of this before and whether you know of any connections between Thomas and Robert de Jorse.